Global Warming or Gods Vengeance? Let’s talk.

photoBelow is a synopsis of  a conversation I had, the actual conversation was about 1 hour and 20 minutes, with someone who thinks very differently than I do.







Driver: Do you mind the radio (It was on a christian station)

Me: I don’t mind.

Driver: So what are you studying?

Me: Ph.D. in Engineering Education

Driver: So do you want to teach engineering (the typical response when I tell people what I am studying)

Me: No, I want to write a book once I graduate.

awkward silence

Me: It’s about the spiritual process I went through I went though in my early 20’s.


Me: What was your spiritual process?

She was “saved” when she was 19, and then got a degree in theology and is a teacher in the truths of the bible.

Me: I am Quaker, but I do not believe that Jesus is the son of God, but am very spiritual.

Driver: So, did you have a falling out with them.

Me: No, actually I am not alone in my Quaker branch.  (I attempt to explain the different branches of Quakerism and the variation in theologies to the best of my ability.)

Driver: I knew a Quaker, she was a student of mine, basically a daughter to me.  They made a documentary about her.

Me: What was the documentary about?

Driver:  She was actually Amish, and left her community when she was 15.

Me:  (Thinking: I did not know that Quaker meme was true )  That must of been hard to leave her family.

I described some aspects of Quakers.  We worship in silence, opening ourselves to the Holy Spirit to guide us.  I talked about my leading towards environmental activism.  We talked more about the power of the Holy Spirit (I would normally call it Light, but have nothing against describing it as Holy Spirit, and knew she would understand that easier), and how it has shed light in out lives.

Driver: What? How I could believe in Holy Sprit, and not everything else in the Bible – (specifically her interpretation of it).

Me: Do you know the Bible says not to eat shell fish.

Driver: No, but some things where written for that time. Were does it say that?

Me: Corinthians somewhere. (Here are the actual verses)

Driver: What do your Quakers think of homosexuality.

Me: Our meeting allows gay marriage.

Driver: The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination.

Me: Jesus never says it, and they mention homosexuality right next to where they say not to eat shell fish.

Driver: You just look.  These weather patterns are proof of God’s vengeance.  The only reason anything good happens in America is because of christians praying.  America is wicked. Look at what we did to the Native Americans and the Slaves.

Me: (Thinking: I am terrified that people that have these beliefs make up large portion of this country, and in their view they are completely right.  Science can not persuade them.  I sent her metta, buddhist form of love and kindness and surrounded her in light.  The only thing I could think of. ) Does that means if a country does well, are correct spiritually?

Driver: Yes.

Me: What about northern Europe.

Driver: I don’t know about their spiritual practices.

Me: Oh – well, they do allow gay marriage and in some places – marijuana.

Driver: (changed the topic) … something about Israel needing our protection, and that Obama sent money to the Muslim in Egypt.

Me: What about “thou shall not kill.”

Driver:  I see how you can misunderstand that, but this is different.  We are in a demonic war.  You know about lucifer and the other angles that got sent out of heaven.

She went on to explain the demonic war and how certain people are just evil. I look on the internet, it is provided for free on the shuttle, and looked up a verse we studied in our Quaker meeting a few months ago.

Me: What about  Luke 6:35, “But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked”

Driver: Ohhh, I give love – I am spreading love all the time.

As we parted ways, we agreed to disagree.  I affirmed that I am still searching, and she said she hoped I would “find” the truth at some point, like she did.

I smiled. I hope that she will open her heart to Spirit and continue searching.


For real change to happen, these conversations need to take place.  For days I wanted to dismis her, but she touches the same Light that I touch and has the same rights under our democratic system of government.  I fear for global warming and long for social justice, she fears for God’s vengeance for our country allowing gay marriage.  I do not believe the answer lies in the middle, I believe I am representing the Truth. However, I am completely open to be proven wrong.

I do not believe the solution is through dismissal and denigration of anyone.  It is through conversations where we listen and hold each other in the light. That is where growth and justice come from.

I have no intention of learning the bible for the purpose of creating an argument.  I do not believe I can change her , or anyone’s mind. I hope by having conversations with people that thinks completely differently, and doing it with the intention of love and light, that the universe will shift and let Truth prevail.



2 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. maggiehessM
    Feb 18, 2013 @ 02:11:14

    I love this. 🙂 I have spent too much time in taxis of late and I am not as present of a listener as you clearly are by what you say here. I love your kind of Quakers. I feel at home here.


  2. Shannon
    Feb 18, 2013 @ 03:29:29

    This is so great! Thanks for sharing 🙂 It is amazing how we can use the same language in the bible and mean something so different. I could not help but smile when you were surrounding the person in love and light and talking about the whole loving one’s enemies part. ❤ ❤ You da best Julia.


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